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What are the exprected values for a combustion analysis?

:)

What would perfect combustion be?

Perfect is 12% CO2


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Complete is what we get:


Air (8N + 2O2) + (Nat Gas (CH4))


=>


8N + water (2 H2O) + carbon dioxide (C02)


——————-


Incomplete:



Air (12N + 3O2) + (Nat Gas (2CH4))


=>


12N + water (4H2O) + carbon dioxide (C02) + 2CO + C


-Extra carbon and soot


-The water stays the same


—————-

How much excess air?

20% air for complete combustion

Eff on print out?

Steady state efficiency


CO air free is removing excess air that is diluting exhaust


Flue temp is important


O2% is important


CO2% is important


Learn how to read these tickets.

Eff on print out?

Steady state efficiency


CO air free is removing excess air that is diluting exhaust


Flue temp is important


O2% is important


CO2% is important

Turn on analyzer in space with furnace?

True,


Where ever the air temperature is for combustion that is where you turn your combustion analyzer on

What is this chart?

Left hand (x axis) side is % CO and the bottom (y-axis) is % oxygen



You want to be on the right side of the perfect combustion line


After perfect combustion, we add more excess air so we dilute the carbon dioxide so CO2 dilutes…


12% is needed for complete combustion

7% oxygen and 7% CO2 is good?


What if you have no oxgen?

If you are on the incomplete combustion side there will be no oxygen.



0% oxygen and 7% CO2 is bad

What are good numbers for CO and O2

7-9.8% CO2


3-9% 02

What happens to the natural gas line on the incomplete side of the graph?

It lowers as it goes towards complete combustion

TQ: Acetylene working pressure?

TQ: 200 psi drops it down to 15 psi

TQ: Acetylene working pressure?

TQ: 200 psi drops it down to 15 psi

TQ: Roof top unit needs what between the curb and rooftop unit?

Gasket

Incomplete combustion produces?

CO, rust around rims of draft hood, aldehydes

What are some common combustion ratings?

Combustion Ratings


Input/Output method:


MFGs Input / Output


Combustion Efficiency:


Usable heat energy at a specific time


• Theoretical heat value of the fuel minus the stack losses


• Reasonable estimation of Thermal efficiency


Steady-State Efficiency (SSE):


Calculated only when combustion is within manufacturers specifications


Thermal efficiency:


How effectively the heat exchanger removes the heat from the burned fuel


Annual Fuel Utilization Efficiency (AFUE): Seasonal Efficiency


True appliance efficiency using Standby losses,


Combustion efficiency and Thermal efficiency losses over a year

Where to take your combustion analysis?

On ALL EQUIPMENT: Take combustion analysis before draft air is added.


Stick a copper tube on your analyzer and stick it in.


Midefficient: drill a hole into the exhaust vent

Formula for approximate excess air?

%O2 x 5 = Excess air (%)


%10 x 5 = 50%


%O2

Approximate Excess Air given CO%?

Analysis Numbers


CO2


• CO2 = Percentage of Carbon Dioxide in combustion gas


• Ultimate CO2 is 12% (Stoichiometric)


• Concentrations should be between 7-9.8%


• Approximate Excess Air =


((12 - CO2%) × 90) / CO2%

What is a bad PPM for CO?

If it is over 100 ppm then start looking into issues


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Slide says some stuff that apprently is wrong. Max doesnt matter.


• CO = Percentage of Carbon Monoxide in combustion gas


• Occurs from incomplete combustion


• Concentrations should be less than 100 PM


• Max allowed:


• 400 PPM (furnace)


• 800 PPM (oven)


• Check flame pattern upon blower startup for indication of cracked heat exchanger

TQ 4000 ppm is death in minutes?


TQ 50 ppm max for 8 hours?

Yup


Apparently you need to known the decimal number too!


What is too much excess air?

Excess Air


• Air in excess of required combustion air


• Too much Excess air lowers flue gas temp lowering combustion efficiency and potentially causing CO forming


• Reducing Excess air causes hotter flames


• Typical amounts:


• Atmospheric - 40%


• High Efficient - 10-60% (the lower the better)


• Many pieces of equipment can not have air adjusted

TQ: what are the losses on a system?

Losses


• Efficiency lost through flue gasses


• Losses = 100% - Efficiency%


• 90.2% eff system would have 9.8% Losses through the stack

What is a common flue vent pressure?

Draft


• Checked using a draft pressure gauge


• Excessive vent draft indicates:


Indicates overfired appliance


Air adjustment open too far


• Low vent draft indicates:


underfired,


heated medium velocity too high flue gas temps too low, building pressure too low


• Typical:


Atmospheric -0.02" wc to -0.04" wC



High eff 0.02" wc to 0.04" wC

What temp do flue gases condense?

126F



Flue Temp


• Often referred to as Stack Temperature


• Temp of the combustion gases exiting the appliance


• Measured with a Pyrometer


• Indicates how much heat is not being used


• Typical Non-condensing temp 325F to 500F


Typical Condensing temp 90-125F (Below 126F)

How do you calculate efficiency?

Net Flue Temp


. Calculated by subtracting the Ambient temp from the actual flue gas temp


• Used to calculate the appliance combustion efficiency with a nomograph


Net Temp =


=Stack Temp - Ambient


Then use your chart

TQ: How do you use the chart


Get CO% (6%)


Get (flue gas temp - room temp)


(370-70 = 300F)


So, draw a line and you get 20% losses


100% - 20% = 80%

What are the exprected values for a combustion analysis?

:)

When setting up an amp meter without auto range what should be done?

Set to the highest scale

What rots out heat exchangers?

Underfire

Under fired heat exchangers can get what type of damage?

Corrosion

What is a wintergreen test?

A heat exchanger test


Sulphur test, smoke test, water test

Is rocking back and forth for a PWM motor normal?

Yes

When will you get a cracked heat exchanger?

Overfired

TQ: what is the most important factor when dealing with an apprentice?

Safety!

TQ: What would happen if you increase the orific size?

Over fired

Will you get lift off if you increase the size of the inducer motor?

You can get flash back if you have way too much air.

400 ppm is for oil burning and you must turn it off. ILM?

True

Too much excess air….

Lower efficiency

Atmospheric burners require secondary air?

True

Dilution air is added to…

Promote stack effect and cool combustion air

Net flue gas is taken from…

Temperature entering combustion process

Net flue gas is taken from…

Temperature entering combustion process

Net flue and CO2 measurements for….

Nomograph

Heating systems are most efficient at…

High fire

CO2 should be higher than O2 on the print out?

True, if O2 is higher than CO2 then…



Add gas pressure

What would cause the flame to float?

Negative pressure in the furnace room

ECM motor rocks on start up?

This is normal

Wire for grounding is Green or Green and yellow?

True

Highest category of electrical panel?

4

Combustion analyser is Steady state efficiency

SSE

Things I didnt study

Flame failure responce time


Where is high limit in an mua

What do I need to study for the lab final?

Pipe size per distance


Gas tight


Pressure drop across a valve


100V on the flame sensor


Sequence of operation