The Pros And Cons Of A Carhaginian Peace

Great Essays
June 28th 1919, the Treaty of Versailles was signed at Versailles Palace. After months of negotiating since November 1918, there would finally be of a peace settlement between the participating countries of World War One. The post war views from the politicians often known as the ‘The Big Three’ (Lloyd George, Wilson, and Clemenceau) varied drastically on how Germany should be punished. French Prime minister Georges Clemenceau on the one hand stated that the war was the ‘greatest crime against humanity and the freedom of peoples that any nation, calling itself civilised, has ever consciously committed.’ Many people agreed with Clemenceau, that Germany must suffer as France had. Zara Steiner agreed, arguing that France’s adult population suffered …show more content…
Many would argue that the idea of a ‘Carthaginian Peace’ argued by Keynes early in the 20th century, is no longer a valid idea. Steiner for one, argues that this idea ‘needs to be abandoned.’ Additionally, the release of government papers in the 1950s and 1960s turned the tides for many historians as this new evidence provided much more valuable information on the subject. With many notable historian’s arguments coming from the last few decades, Murray’s piece is one of the most recent in the historiography. Murray focuses on similar arguments to historians such as; Rohan Butler in ‘New Cambridge Modern History’; A.J.P Taylor in ‘The Origins of the Second World War’; and Sally Marks in ‘Mistakes and Myths: The Allies, Germany, and the Versailles Treaty, 1918–1921’. All of these historians stated somewhat that Germany deliberately never accepted the treaty, and that Germany was still left as a strong nation after the treaty was signed. On a side note, if you are looking for an equally factual piece of writing but with a more balanced outlook regarding the aftermath of World War One, then look toward ‘Peacemaking after World War I’ by Alan Sharp, in which Sharp notes many further issues that Murray does not account …show more content…
Rather, that the treaty had a limited effect on Germany. Prior to arguing his point, Murray once again explains the context of the situation. This allows the reader to understand Murray’s argument while not having to read into much wider details from other areas of knowledge. Murray emphasises firstly that the failed cooperation between the leaders, especially the ‘Big Three’ meant that the treaty never progressed far. He shows that while Wilson and Lloyd George wanted the best economic outcome for Europe, Clemenceau wanted strong reparations payments from Germany. Additionally Murray shows that Wilson had the wrong idea of Europe at the time, as he thought the diplomacy between many nationalities and economies in Europe would be a simple situation. Murray once again provides the reader with a thorough use of primary and secondary material to support his reasoning. For example, quotes from Winston Churchill and Andre Tardieu show how war impacted France. Tardieu states ‘The war cost us 150 billions of francs.’ In showing this first-hand information, it makes the argument much more persuasive. Additionally, historians Margaret MacMillan and Harold Nicolson help sum up Murray’s argument towards the failed cooperation of the leaders. Murray is confident in showing that the treaty never progressed far enough. We can see the importance of the Treaty of Versailles to Murray’s argument as

Related Documents

  • Improved Essays

    On June 28, 1919- The Versailles treaty was signed by the victorious nations that defeated Germany in World War One. The treaty was made to punish Germany and stabilize Europe. The question is how did the Versailles Treaty help cause World War two? Three examples of why the Versailles Treaty caused World War two were, they lost territory, Germany's army became smaller, and Germany needed to pay back for what they did.…

    • 389 Words
    • 2 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    After the World War ended, all of the people that were affected by the war wanted Germany to suffer for the damaged they causes. This lead to The Treaty of Versailles to be written, it was a peace treaty that was presented to the leaders of Germany to sign on May 7, 1919. This treaty forced Germany to surrender territories to Belgium, Poland, and Czechoslovakia. Germany also returned Lorraine and Alsace, which were annexed in 1971 following the Franco-Prussian War, to France. One of the most important, yet humiliating part of the treaty that Germany has to embark was Article 231, which was known as the “War Guilt Clause.”…

    • 933 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Decent Essays

    Wilson’s “War Message” was filled with emotion by stating things such as “Property can be paid for; the lives of peaceful and innocent people can not be” (Wilson, par 2). Throughout the letter, he is determined to restore peace in the world. In contrast, “America and The Great War” deemed Wilson to be an inefficient president by explaining his attempt to settle everything peacefully and his inability to get the Senate to support the Versailles Treaty. Overall, “War Message” is a much more intimate document showing exactly how Wilson was feeling during this tragic time while “America and The Great War” only provides an overview of the war and criticizes Wilson’s executive…

    • 417 Words
    • 2 Pages
    Decent Essays
  • Great Essays

    The Treaty was just a way to humiliate Germany and make they pay for everything that has occurred. Through all of this devastation, Adolf Hitler came. Adolf Hitler became a salvation for the German people, they all admired him because he brought back German pride and self-respect. He made the gErmans stop and think that everything that they went through was not their fault. Hitler in return wanted to fight.…

    • 997 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Great Essays
  • Superior Essays

    The terminology and demands of the Treaty rendered Germany a puppet state, that would be mostly agricultural. It required ".. the new German government to surrender approximately (ten) percent of its prewar territory in Europe and all of its overseas possessions (https://history.state.gove/milestones/1914-1920/paris-peace.) These included parts of France and Russia being returned to their respectful mainland countries, as well as the distribution of other smaller territories.…

    • 1143 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Superior Essays
  • Great Essays

    Causes Of Ww2

    • 1400 Words
    • 6 Pages

    Secondly, the Treaty of Versailles, as established by the League of Nations, intended to make Germany pay reparations for the war. This did not go as planned, as it led to the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party. Immediately…

    • 1400 Words
    • 6 Pages
    Great Essays
  • Improved Essays

    Woodrow’s strong belief in peace and international cooperation could not keep the United States from entering World War I. The underlying belief that he had, which was peace, was shattered by the Great War. He no longer stressed his motive for the war as revenge, but instead of “victorious assertion) (PG161). He felt as if his “right” was more valuable than peace within the nations. In the face of all this he asks himself,” can people still maintain that the peace movement is making progress?”…

    • 519 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Great Essays

    Macmillan states that the main powers and the failure of the peace treaty to ensure everlasting peace cannot accept full blame for the events of the twentieth century. The armies of the allies had shrunk through ‘rapidly demobilisation,’17and the allied soldiers and their families had suffered and were ‘reluctant to contemplate renewed hostilities. ’18 Through this Macmillan contends that the main powers were lacking the man power to influence events and enforce all decisions.19 Historian Alan Sharp supports this when he says ‘The conference might make decisions but often had no means of enforcing them. ’20 Macmillan goes on to argue that the peace settlement did come to a conclusion of peace terms that ‘Germany and its allies...were prepared to accept.…

    • 986 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Great Essays
  • Decent Essays

    The treaty of Versailles was unjust and unfair. Generally, for the reason that liabilities German for the war. Additional faults were: collapse of the whole German Empire, they were only legalized a handful of ships, no submarines. Their navy could not be more than 100,000 men. No more settlements, no air force.…

    • 71 Words
    • 1 Pages
    Decent Essays
  • Improved Essays

    The Unhappy Compromise World War I was officially brought to an end with the signing of the Treaty of Versailles on June 28, 1919. The Treaty of Versailles was negotiated among the Allied powers of Britain, France, and America with little to no participation from Germany. The intent of the treaty was two fold, first to prevent another world war, and second to punish Germany for starting the war to begin with. This vindictive approach would spill over into every part of the treaty and would ultimately lead to its failure. The Treaty of Versailles was unsuccessful, because the German people saw it as a betrayal, Germany was isolated politically form the rest of the world, Germany was forced to give up vast amounts of land, Germany’s proud…

    • 946 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    According to the book “The Treaty of Versailles” it states “ Ninety articles of the treaty dealt with the new national borders. Germany lost more than ten percent of its area in the territorial settlement(Brienza).” This suggests that The treaty didn 't include the other nations in the world but did it 's best to stripped Germany of everything it once had. As stated in the website www.ushmm.org “ article 231 commonly known as "the war guilt clause quote, which force the german nation to except complete responsibility for initiating World War I. As such Germany was liable for all material damages and France 's premier George Clemenceau particularly insisted on imposing enormous reparation payments.…

    • 1273 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    The treaty’s focal point was Germany and they did everything humanly possible to prevent Germany from having an opinion for their country. Europe blamed Germany for causing World War I, they should split the blame and the cost for the destruction and worked as one to help rebuild Europe. Punishing Germany for their acts during war when they were defending their allies (Improving the Treaty of Versailles). Germany was not the only country at fault for the war, infact every country that took part in the war should have had to help with rebuilding Europe. The Treaty of Versailles was supposed to unite all the nations, instead it focused on restricting and punishing the powers of their opposing treats.…

    • 1030 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    In this way, the treaty was ineffective in attaining peace because Germany had reached its way out of a hole and fought back in a second World War. Woodrow Wilson had outlined the Treaty of Versailles with his Fourteen Points: an idealized list of proposals with which to satisfy every country and maintain peace. Germany is not mentioned in them, acting as a precursor to the same thing in the Treaty of Versailles. Through these nationalist, excluding points, Germany is left behind while other countries are becoming more independent and not occupied by enemies. This treaty had given Germany a hefty guilt of starting, raging, and continuing…

    • 1310 Words
    • 6 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    There were talks in Paris that Germans were not allowed to attend too because they would soon get copies of the treaty to read for themselves. They were told that it was in place to stop the war and to make…

    • 1190 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    The terms of the treaty included Germany accepting the blame for the war, paying reparations of 6600 million Euros, taking away Germany’s overseas empire, and restricting its armed forces by limiting their army to 100,000 men, banning conscription, ridding them of all armoured vehicles, submarines, and aircrafts, limiting their navy to six battle ships, and demilitarizing the Rhineland. Germany also lost 10 percent of their land, 12.5 percent of their population, and 16 percent of its coalfields and almost half of its iron and steel industry (Walsh 86-88). The Germans believed that they were treated unfairly and that they were not given the peace that they were promised by President Wilson. They instead claimed that the document showed that Germany’s position as a world power should be completely destroyed (Comments of the...). This treaty greatly devastated Germany and its economy as it could not afford the reparations, especially with their lose in population, coalfields, and iron and steel industry and angered its…

    • 1417 Words
    • 6 Pages
    Improved Essays