Is Plato A Good State Or A Happy State?

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Imagine living in a community that offers you no freedom because you are classified as the bottom class of your community, would you be happy? What about living in a community where you have to work a certain job for the rest of your life, no matter if you like it or not just because you are only capable of doing that, would you be happy? According to Plato, those are some of the characteristics of a just and happy state. Even though, Plato’s state might be efficient because everybody understands their role in the state, I do not think his state is a just or a happy state because in his state there is no social justice in that people have no freedom or equality. I will be arguing on the system, government and the happiness of the people in …show more content…
For example, workers are born to work, soldiers are born to fight and rulers are naturally gifted and smart. On top of that, the three classes have to only do their job and play their role. They should not try to change roles or play other’s roles. Plato believes that once people try to take others’ jobs the state would become unjust because the rulers would start to do work, soldiers and workers would want power. On the other hand, I believe that by doing that, the only person in Plato’s just state that would be happy is the ruler because he has total power and complete control of the state. Whereas, the soldiers and the workers have almost no freedom and equality. Firstly, I think the people would already become unhappy, once they are separated into three classes. How could one be happy when they are ranked worse than someone in society? People would be happy if everyone in society are ranked equally where no one is better or worse than others. People would not want to be valued and judged by their social status, classes or …show more content…
Plato believes that there’s a structure of three classes in a just state, in which all three classes must only play their roles. I think by doing that a community would be productive because everybody knows and understand their job; however, it is not just and the people will be unhappy. The separation of three classes shows no equality and gives the citizens no freedom because they cannot do what they want. Freedom and equality are crucial characteristics that every state and community should have, how could Plato calls his state a just state when the people do not have them. On top of that although, it would be nice to have a ruler who is wise and who only think about the well-being of a state, I simply think it is too much for an individual to do. For example, one person will not be able to listen to the majority of the state and the ruler’s decisions will not reflect the public wishes. On top of that, the citizens do not have the rights to vote or suggest their thoughts to the rulers, so they have to go along with whatever their rulers decide. These reasoning and examples I used to examine and express my opinions are why I disagree Plato’s state as being just and happy for the

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