Plato and Aristophanes, Four Texts on Socrates
1) Euthyphro pious vs. impious
Euthyphro – going against his father for murder
Meletus – against socrates for corrupting the youth. Accuses him of being a neologian, makes new gods, denies old ones.
Ministration – the provision of assistance, or care
Husbandman – person who cultivates land, a farmer
Does god say things that are good, or do things become good because god says them?
If god is impotent, god doesn't define the rules, he just reads them to us. God isn't required for morality, morality would exist if god died. If god has to follow morality, then his omnipotence is limited and he must not be all powerful.
If god is the dictator of all things that are good, then if god sends a hurricane …show more content…
Crito is a good friend and student. Crito comes into the prison and says he has an excape plan in action, and he wants to convince Socrates that it would be good for him to escape. Crito says that he should flee Athens, but Socrates isn't totally down. Crito says his death will be a loss to him, people will think Crito & others didn't do enough to try to free him, Crito says it is wrong for him to stay because he is doing what his enemies want.
Eye for an eye. Is it okay to value evil when it is being done unto you? It would be evil to escape.
Socrates chooses his own fate. Says he is a citizen of athens, he'll be defrauded for going against the law. If he escapes, he goes forth as a victim, he wrongs his children, government, education, friends. He'd be a traitor, a destroyer of systems, not an improver of them.
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It has been argued that Aristophanes caricatured a 'pre-Socratic' Socrates and that the philosopher depicted by Plato was a more mature thinker who had been influenced by such criticism. It is possible that Aristophanes' caricature of the philosopher merely reflects his own ignorance of philosophy. Can also be understood in relation to Plato's works, as evidence of a historic rivalry between poetic and philosophical modes of thought.
Socrates is presented as a blasphemous man, only worships the clouds, thinks Zeus does not exist. Attempts to discredit Socrates. Sophists are also attacked for being masters of deceptive argument, truth and justice are relative, what is right and just in one society in one society may not be right and just in another. Aristophanes demonstrates that no man or argument is inviolable, implores us to reason through everything, thinks we must strive to understand the subtleties of arguments and
1) Euthyphro pious vs. impious
Euthyphro – going against his father for murder
Meletus – against socrates for corrupting the youth. Accuses him of being a neologian, makes new gods, denies old ones.
Ministration – the provision of assistance, or care
Husbandman – person who cultivates land, a farmer
Does god say things that are good, or do things become good because god says them?
If god is impotent, god doesn't define the rules, he just reads them to us. God isn't required for morality, morality would exist if god died. If god has to follow morality, then his omnipotence is limited and he must not be all powerful.
If god is the dictator of all things that are good, then if god sends a hurricane …show more content…
Crito is a good friend and student. Crito comes into the prison and says he has an excape plan in action, and he wants to convince Socrates that it would be good for him to escape. Crito says that he should flee Athens, but Socrates isn't totally down. Crito says his death will be a loss to him, people will think Crito & others didn't do enough to try to free him, Crito says it is wrong for him to stay because he is doing what his enemies want.
Eye for an eye. Is it okay to value evil when it is being done unto you? It would be evil to escape.
Socrates chooses his own fate. Says he is a citizen of athens, he'll be defrauded for going against the law. If he escapes, he goes forth as a victim, he wrongs his children, government, education, friends. He'd be a traitor, a destroyer of systems, not an improver of them.
4) …show more content…
It has been argued that Aristophanes caricatured a 'pre-Socratic' Socrates and that the philosopher depicted by Plato was a more mature thinker who had been influenced by such criticism. It is possible that Aristophanes' caricature of the philosopher merely reflects his own ignorance of philosophy. Can also be understood in relation to Plato's works, as evidence of a historic rivalry between poetic and philosophical modes of thought.
Socrates is presented as a blasphemous man, only worships the clouds, thinks Zeus does not exist. Attempts to discredit Socrates. Sophists are also attacked for being masters of deceptive argument, truth and justice are relative, what is right and just in one society in one society may not be right and just in another. Aristophanes demonstrates that no man or argument is inviolable, implores us to reason through everything, thinks we must strive to understand the subtleties of arguments and