Thrasymachus demands that Socrates provide his own response on the topic at hand, rather than just asking interrogative questions about and dissecting the responses of the others. Socrates insists that he is interested in the same goals as the other men, which is to establish a clear definition of justice. He goes on to add, that by questioning the others, he is merely trying to understand their point of view. After some back and forth, Thrasymachus finally offers up his opinion on justice.
A ruler is the most powerful in a society, and rulers pass laws that are beneficial to themselves.
It is also just (for weaker subjects) to obey the orders that rulers set forth.
Therefore, justice is whatever is beneficial to the most powerful .
Justice, as defined by Thrasymachus, is the advantage, or what is more beneficial to a person of power, or the most powerful. In essence, he says that justice is what is in the best interest of the powerful party in a particular state or, people in power make laws to benefit themselves. According to Thrasymachus’ argument, justice is achieved through power and by persons in