Hobbes first believed that a state of nature is a state of war. Jack was one of the main reasons that the island’s boys turned into ruthless savages. “Why should choosing make any difference? Just giving orders that don't make any sense.” (Golding 92) Once Ralph was elected by the group, Jack started to challenge Ralph's leadership, as well as causing mayhem on the island. When he and his group were left in nature for longer, there actions became extreme, resulting in the deaths of Piggy, Simon, and countless helpless
