Comparing Two Treatises Of Government By John Locke And Thomas Hobbes

Superior Essays
If we are to support that the thirteen colonies were justified in seeking their independence from England, then we must support Catalonia in its quest for independence from Spain. Thomas Hobbes and John Locke, however, would disagree. In the Leviathan and Two Treatises of Government both Hobbes and Locke support that once a group of people decides to become a society as the laws of nature would suggest, they form a political society. If these people then choose democracy as their form of government, then they agree to comply with the will of the majority. Baron De Montesquieu’s views on the matter focus on the premises that if Catalonia secedes, they would fail as a small republic. For a republic to successes, it must not be too small nor too …show more content…
In the book, Locke explains that before becoming a political society we were just individuals living in peace, and by choosing to unite, we choose to become one political society or rather a commonwealth (p. 333). Constituting of the laws supported by the majority, which is thus laws set for the whole. In this manner, we support that “the Majority [has] a Right to act and conclude the rest” (p.331). Meaning that by entering a commonwealth, all must abide by the majority, which allows the community to move forward in the same direction. Which in relation to the Catalans demand for secession, suggest that they as a unite aside from Spain do not truly seek secession. In an article by Eric Guntermann titled The myth of massive support for independence in Catalonia, Guntermann’s explains that ever since 2013 supports for independence in Catalonia has declined from forty-nine present to forty percent. Furthermore, a more recent survey suggest that seventy-six percent of Catalans identified with Spain, and fifty-six percent would not vote for the Catalan’s president party. Thus, proving that most Catalans do not wish to secede from …show more content…
The North sought to end slavery, the South did not. Among other contributing factors, the slavery issue was one which the South could not accept, hence the declaration of secession. The South lost because of their disadvantage to the North. Evidently, the North being the winning party won due to their advantages in agriculture, firearms, railroads, manufacture, textile, iron, and men. In a population, the North had approximately 22 million people, whereas the South had approximately 9 million, of whom 3.5 million were slaves (YouTube / Crash Course). The resulted with a collateral of about 700,000 dead. The American Civil War is an example of what could happen if the Catalan regional government’s unilateral call for a secession referendum leads to forceful secession without both Spain and the Catalonia’s people coming to a mutual consensus. By definition, war will regress but Catalans and Spain, especially Catalans, considering the fact that they do not have a military force. In large, becoming a nation consist of more than appearing to be. Unfortunately for the Catalans, the referendum, and Puigdemont’s speech which stated that “The people have determined that Catalonia should become an independent state in the form of a republic… I myself propose that the parliament suspend the effects of the declaration of independence do that in the coming weeks we may begin a dialogue.” Caused for the

Related Documents

  • Improved Essays

    This angered the colonists because not only they were exhausted in obeying the King and his irrelevant orders but they also believed they did not deserve any of the bias between living in America or England. The people of America gradually realized that they did not need any of the royal to sustain their lives. Instead, they preferred the new kind of government coming from John Locke’s belief. Therefore, the Declare of Independence was born. It gave the colonists what they wanted, which was a government that create laws and rules to govern and discipline the people but still…

    • 464 Words
    • 2 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Superior Essays

    The Leviathan of Hobbes proposes a system of supremacy that a supreme or invincible ruler controls. Meanwhile, Locke's Second Treatise of Government presents a government that is dependable or responsible to its people with restrictions on the supremacy or power of the sovereign. Furthermore, according to Hobbes, the "state of nature" is both extremely a cruel setting and oddly formed or structured. Hobbes recognizes that we have natural laws that exist, but he mostly talks about the "state of nature" as a place of total or absolute independence. However, what like Spiderman's uncle said, with great power comes great responsibility.…

    • 1758 Words
    • 8 Pages
    Superior Essays
  • Improved Essays

    Thomas Hobbs was a believer that all men were inherently born evil and that human nature lead us to be solely self-interested and that man is only motives by the improvement of mans individual situations and the satisfaction of our own needs. Because of this selfishness the pre-constitutional state of nature was pure brutality. This brutal state of nature is is derived form individuals living in continuous fear of one another due to this selfish state of mind. This constant state of distrust is Hobbs’ reasoning behind the government and constitution.…

    • 1236 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    Each side felt that their lifestyle and culture was superior to the others. The North had their freedom from slavery and their pride in their industry and commerce. The South argued that their relatively easy and comfortable lives were proof of a more advanced society. Slavery was what allowed the South to live in such comforts and they were willing to allow it, while the North saw it as a vicious and barbaric…

    • 962 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    After years of discussing whether Catalonia should separate from Spain, Catalonians vote on Friday, declaring its independence; however, Spain dismissed their proposal and began taking control over the region. According to “Spain dismisses the Catalonia Government After Region Declares Independence” in the New York Times authors Raphael Minder and Patrick Kingsley guide readers through how the Spanish leaders dissolved and removed the Catalan Government official due to them “illegally declaring (Catalonia) an independent nation.” As a result of this illegal declaration, Mindeer and Kingsley say, “ Catalonia’s administration would be run from Madrid,” allowing for the once autonomous region to be under harsh Spanish control. Minder and Kingsley explain, how Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution gives Mr.Rajoy, the Spanish Prime Minister, the ability to “seize direct administrative control over the region and remove secessionist politicians.”…

    • 540 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    The enlightenment was a time during the 18th century where there was a major change in the way people think of politics, philosophy, science, and communications. Hobbes was a philosopher during the time who had his own opinion on government. Hobbes philosophy on government make the most sense. Hobbes government prevents wars and stops arguments from happening. Hobbes government structure prevents arguments between people by having the government give them orders.…

    • 279 Words
    • 2 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Superior Essays

    Most people take for granted many things we are afforded in this day and age. One of those things we take for granted is the government. Without said government there would be no laws to provide order and security, and we would be in a state of nature that would result in a state of war. A state of nature, regardless of who is detailing its differences, is basically a life without government rule leaving people to act out of self-preservation. A place without government is a place of chaos with everyone acting of their own accord.…

    • 2006 Words
    • 9 Pages
    Superior Essays
  • Decent Essays

    Hobbes vs Locke They agree on the state of nature for the state of mankind before goverment. When they have to decide on divine right or the social contract and they both chose social contract. They both agree on alot of things but they disagred on some things too.…

    • 84 Words
    • 1 Pages
    Decent Essays
  • Great Essays

    Introduction ‘During and after the English Revolution (1642-88), different English thinkers reacted differently toward the revolution, based on their own life experience and philosophical outlook’. Thomas Hobbes and John Locke strongly argued distinct notions of political power. One absolute kinship, the other a democratic republic. In this essay it will firstly state and discuss the relation between state and sovereign according to Thomas Hobbes. In doing so Thomas Hobbes ideas will then be compared to John Locke’s.…

    • 2054 Words
    • 9 Pages
    Great Essays
  • Superior Essays

    Hobbes and Locke find themselves at a standoff upon the question of the benefits surrounding absolute sovereign power in relation to society. Hobbes argues against Locke that absolute sovereign powers will rule without malevolence toward their subjects, and power should not be spread beyond one person. He says the idea of sovereign power being “divided” (Leviathan, 29:12) “against the essence of the commonwealth” (29:12) since “powers divided mutually destroy one another” (29:12). Division goes against Hobbes’ definition of a commonwealth – where creating power to defend people and their property “is to confer all their power and strength upon one man, or upon one assembly of men, that may reduce all their wills, by plurality of voices unto…

    • 1225 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Superior Essays
  • Superior Essays

    French American Regime

    • 2279 Words
    • 10 Pages

    It would take almost 300 years of Oppression before the Spanish Civil war would start and Catalonians would fight once more. The Civil War broke Spain into two sides, the Nationalist whowere siding with Nazi Germany and those of the Republic. The Catalans stood with the Republic in hopes of breaking free of the Spanish rule. Many battles would ensure but in the end the Battle of the Ebro would render the Republican side defenseless and Francisco Franco’s…

    • 2279 Words
    • 10 Pages
    Superior Essays
  • Improved Essays

    The north believed in a free labor system where everyone had a chance to be successful if they worked hard in their industrialized manufacturing economy. The south believed in slave labor, where planters could get rich from free forced labor in their agricultural dominated economy. The north believed that slavery was a flawed system that created an aristocratic planter class, not allowing for self made success. The south believed that their economy and success relied on slavery, and that without it, the whole economy would collapse. The north believed that secession was unconstitutional, while the south believed that it was constitutional.…

    • 1013 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    Monique Wilder Professor David Hill SSP 101.7920 July 15, 2015 Midterm 1) Explain the main differences and similarities between the ideas of Hobbes and Locke’s. Similarities include: rights, state of nature, atheism, powers of a sovereign, and the idea that governments are beneficial. John Locke and Thomas Hobbes are two social contract theorist who share similarities in their Social Contract Theories, however they both have differences. The social contract theory is a voluntary agreement among individuals by which organized society is brought into being and invested with the right to secure mutual protection and welfare or to regulate the relations among its members.…

    • 908 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Improved Essays

    Catalan Communism Essay

    • 1063 Words
    • 5 Pages

    Furthermore, there has been a change in Catalan nationalism because of the disappointment of Spain and their ignorance of their attempt to be independent. The Catalans are tired of justifying Catalonia’s national status and language, therefore, have abandoned all hope that the rest of Spain will listen and understand their concerns within a multinational Spanish state from a political, cultural and economic perspective(CNN). In addition, Catalan nationalism has been seeking agreements with the Spanish nationalists for about 15 years now, in the attempt to stabilize a place for the Catalan nation within the Spanish state. However, this doesn’t change the fact that independence supporters still exist but they are mostly a minority group within the Catalonian society. According to the last election on October 2013, conducted by the Catalan Statistics Institute, 57% of Catalan citizens would vote for the independence in a hypothetical referendum.…

    • 1063 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Improved Essays
  • Great Essays

    Many people specifically philosophers would question, “Why we need a state?” or “What kind of state should we have?” This question opened up all the different views and perspective of the three following philosophers, Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau. They all have different but also very similar views on the state of nature, social contract, laws. Hobbes definition of state of nature is a state of war. Morality doesn’t exists and everyone lives in constant fear.…

    • 1796 Words
    • 8 Pages
    Great Essays